No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[b]No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks[/b]
By Munza Mushtaq – Reporting for Asian Tribune
[b]Colombo, 24 March, (Asiantribune.com): [/b]The 'step motherly' attitude meted out to the Muslim community is likely to continue even at next month's peace talks in Geneva with both the Government and the LTTE still not approving the participation of a separate Muslim delegation.
The Muslim community has been the silent sufferer during the two decade long ethnic conflict owing to the continuous harassment meted out to them by the Tigers by way of murder, abduction, eviction and extortion.
Commenting on the possibility of a separate Muslim delegation partaking at the forthcoming peace talks, Mr. Javid Yusuf, Director general of the Muslim peace Secretariat noted that, "there doesn't seem to be a possibility of such a delegation participating during April talks at this juncture."
http://www.asiantribune.com/show_news.php?id=17412
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="true.reporter"][quote="Zulu"]
Tamils can not have it both ways .......... support the movement to establish the dignity the tamils deserve through peaceful means.[/quote]
They did.
They elected Tamil Congress, then Federal Party, then TULF to settle the issues through peaceful means.
Rest is hostory.
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Let me ask,
What would have happened to the SL tamils, if LTTE did not take up the arms to fight this war they are still fighting, in the 70's?
Are the Tamils in North-East SL, any better today than they were in the 70's?
Leaders of Sinhala and Tamil nationalism created this problem, which is being fought by the tigers looking quick soultions.
The soultions through peacefull means takes time but unlike today no one generation has to die for the soultions.
I would rather wait than fight.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="Zulu"]
Tamils can not have it both ways .......... support the movement to establish the dignity the tamils deserve through peaceful means.[/quote]
They did.
They elected Tamil Congress, then Federal Party, then TULF to settle the issues through peaceful means.
Rest is hostory.
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No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
My sincere apologies Anonymouse,didn't mean all Tamils.
Should apply to a rule under a tiger administration.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="Anonymouse"][quote="indrajith"]
The problem is Tamils want to have their own government not just looking after the day to day affairs of the Tamils but the Sinhalese and Muslims in the East as well.[/quote]
[b]And why do you think that? Or are you saying the Tigers.. instead of Tamils [/b] :?:[/quote]
[b]Anonymouse, you may be one of the very few tamilians who are trying to distance yourself from the tigers in this forum.[/b]
[b]Sorry, I took the liberty to answer the post intended to someone else.
Recently, the HRW report on LTTE extortion, painted a different picture.
It sure made it look like Tamils are tigers and Tigers are tamils.
In light of this how can an ordinary person make a distinction between the two?
If the tamils opposed to the tigers are making it known to the rest without any ambiguity,
may be one will see the difference.
Tamils can not have it both ways.
They either support the tigers and put up with the concequenses with their association
OR
support the movement to establish the dignity the tamils deserve through peaceful means.[/b]
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="indrajith"]
The problem is Tamils want to have their own government not just looking after the day to day affairs of the Tamils but the Sinhalese and Muslims in the East as well.[/quote]
And why do you think that? Or are you saying the Tigers.. instead of Tamils :?:
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Common indrajith.
If Tamils living in the south can live under Sinhalese, why not Sinhalese live in a Tamil state?
(I know many Sinhalese from Trinco who spoke very fluent Tamil, lived among Tamils until politicians spoil the game)
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No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Thanks for your reply.
The problem is Tamils want to have their own government not just looking after the day to day affairs of the Tamils but the Sinhalese and Muslims in the East as well.
This is the problem and you can now see why it's not that simple to grant LTTE demands for a seperate state.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="indrajith"]Peaceful solution means a solution acceptable to all communities and peace talks should not be considered as a another way to gain what LTTE can not win by fighting.[/quote]
This is impossible. You cannot have solution acceptable to all communities, because within each community there are so much differences.
What's needed is a reasonable, common sense approach. Look at other nations. Look at the way world is fast changing into a small place.
I do not see why Tamils in the north-east cannot have their own government to look after their day to day affairs. Let the central government keeps the control on national defence, foreign affairs and immigration and citizenship.
If Sinhalese agree to this, very next day you will see that Tamils will force Ltte to accept it or will riot against them.
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No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Peaceful solution means a solution acceptable to all communities and peace talks should not be considered as a another way to gain what LTTE can not win by fighting.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="true.reporter"]This Muslims issue was initially started by Sinhalese to weaken the Tamil's liberation struggle and to divide north-east. They used this card very well......
But today, it is reversed. It is the Sinhalese that wanted to silence the Muslims. Now they have the card called Karuna (at least his name) and therefore they are not worried about Muslims.......
It's upto the Sinhalese leaders whether they give up north-east by solving the problem quickly or give up north-east and up-country.
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Dear True Reporter u r correct. This is the reality. and the truth.
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Faith in Human
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="indrajith"]
Since you keep on harping about this point,with regret I have to mention, if that is the case surely we do not have any other option other than fighting to the bitter end to make sure this menace is wiped out completely.[/quote]
[b]Regrettably, what you said above seems to be the only sensible option that is left to the SriLankans.
I support a peaceful solution in SL. Most tamils I know reflect the same opinion.
But then there are certain elements among tamils (just as well as among sinhalese) can not comprehend the reality.
Some are trying to be in the ethnic sinhalese majority, being a tamil.
Medical profession haven't invented the procedures yet how to do such conversions.
Others are confused on the issues of majority, minority, citizenship and ethnic diversity.
They discuss, argue just to tell the enemy, sinhalese can not do a better job than tamils governing a state SL.
That is all I hear on those comments.
Looking at things deeply, this is the only way they can send their message across on an issue wihch is irrational and illogical.
Some of them go only to immediate pre-colonial history, while others go on history as far as Before the Christ, looking for clues to support their cases.
The present grief is not coming from the tamils living in Colombo or the east.
The complaints are comimg from the north and the tamil diaspora outside.
Based on that, it is not hard to figure out who wants an Eelam.
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No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Dear True Reporter,
Come on be sensible,the Muslim issue was started by the LTTE by demanding the whole of Eastern province to be under their rule, taxing,chasing out the Muslims from Jaffna,bombing their mosques and by killing thousands of them.Sinhalese didn't have to do anything.
LTTE did the job for them.
Because of your blind loyalty to the TIGERS you find it difficult to express and see the truth.
You have to understand that the Tiger leadership is not very bright when it comes to taking sound political decisions.Political strategy is not their strong point.Up to now they have done unbelievably silly mistakes and still continue to do that.
This is an inherrant weakness of an organization run by an individual on all aspects.
Tamils of Indian origin are not very fond of the guys who believe that they are socially superior to them in some stupid and obsolete values, and they know the place that would be accorded to them in the event of a union with the Jaffna Tamils.
Haven't seen or heard anything really serious like what you are saying, other than to assume that you are making it up for arguments sake.
India is already involved in an anti-LTTE role thanks to the foolish killing of Rajiv and they will guide and influence Indian Tamils when it comes to taking decisions.
Yes you are correct in saying that it's up to the GOSL to solve the problem quickly being fair to all communities in the North and East but not on LTTE terms.
What you are implying is if we don't not agree on anything other than on LTTE terms leading to a seperate country, then we are to loose part of the country.
Not really....considering the resources we have......
Since you keep on harping about this point,with regret have to mention if that is the case surely we do not have any other option other than fighting to the bitter end to make sure this menace is wiped out completely.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
This Muslims issue was initially started by Sinhalese to weaken the Tamil's liberation struggle and to divide north-east. They used this card very well.
It worked and this was one of the main reason the problem dragged on.
But today, it is reversed. It is the Sinhalese that wanted to silence the Muslims. Now they have the card called Karuna (at least his name) and therefore they are not worried about Muslims.
But Ltte holds the trump card called, Up-country Tamils.
It's upto the Sinhalese leaders whether they give up north-east by solving the problem quickly or give up north-east and up-country.
(All recent reports are that India is getting involved now)
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Dear Puloliyan you said,
''This must be reflected in our constitution. We Tamils will fight for it. We know how hard it is to be a Minority. We will not make the same mistake.''
My dear fellow writer if they(LTTE) do otherwise and trample the rights of the Muslims like now,How are you going to stop it?
Appreciate your resolve in saying '' We Tamils will fight for it'' but in reality if you say anything against their cruel rule you too will end up in the obituary list of the newspapers or will have to open up another front and a group to face them.
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Even though you have faith in your LTTE leadership as to how they would govern in a future state, I don't think they will treat everbody equally.
Anyway we will have more oppurtunities in the near future to post our views and agree to disagree.
Thank you very much for your polite reply.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Indrajith,
I am happy to comment on your comments. thanks for the opportunity. If you have read my comments, I kept saying Muslims have grieviences.
Initially LTTE had some Muslims. Then they lost them with their own fault (including the forced evacuation of Jaffna Tamils) and "devide and rule" tactics (such as Kattankudi Massacre and many more) by Government using paramilitries. If you have question about who is responsible for "Kattankudi Massacre", please read my previous comments. In my previous comments, as you can see, I have complained about Karikalan and Karuna as well.
Not only I have talked about Muslims in Tamil Eelam, I also have talked about Sinhalese who lived in Tamil eelam prior to colonization in the name of development projects.
We, Tamils, agree that eventhough Muslims speak Tamil, they want to be identified as Muslims based on their religion. They do have their own culture. They are indeed a distinct society.
Of course, Tamil Ealam Sinhalese are distinct society.
This must be reflected in our constitution. We Tamils will fight for it. We know how hard it is to be a Minority. We will not make the same mistake.
We Tamils consider a Christian (Thanthai Selva) as our father figure. We have united behind Pirabhakaran to achieve our goal. No caste, No religion, no region can devide Tamils. We have learned a lot from the mistakes made by Sinhala leaders since Mid 30s.
[quote]SORRY TO POINT OUT THAT YOU ARE INDEED TRYING TO HAVE A FREE RIDE BY NOT ALLOWING THE MUSLIMS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE UNDER LTTE, IN A STATE CONTROLLED 100% BY LTTE TAMILS.THIS COMMUNITY'S BEEN LIVING THERE FOR NEARLY 400 YEARS AS A SEPERATE GROUP.
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You are right once we have a solution(a State or Tamil Eelam) you will see. In my mind, Tamils, muslims, Tamil eelam Sinhalese will enjoy equal rights.
Muslim leaders have start working with LTTE rather tha wasting their time with SL Governments.
Zulu,
I am sorry man, I have no right to waste the space of this forum to fill the space in your head.
Sukumaran,
Sorry to interfere. I am here. I will be here as long as I am allowed to be here.
The only time, the words like "Distinct Society" and "autonomy" come into discussion when there is discrimination based on something, a caste or religion or region or language. When one group of people decide that it is their country (ie. Sinhala Buddhists) that is when the need for these type of discussion arises.
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[quote]In my view, Peace talks are between the warring parties. Both parties have lost a lot during the last 22 years of war. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else to have a free ride on Tamil and Sinhala boys dead body. We have lost a lot to get there.
SORRY TO POINT OUT THAT YOU ARE INDEED TRYING TO HAVE A FREE RIDE BY NOT ALLOWING THE MUSLIMS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE UNDER LTTE, IN A STATE CONTROLLED 100% BY LTTE TAMILS.THIS COMMUNITY'S BEEN LIVING THERE FOR NEARLY 400 YEARS AS A SEPERATE GROUP.
THINK ,SINCE WE ARE LOOKING FOR A DEMOCRATIC SOLUTION,THE MUSLIMS SHOULD HAVE A FREE AND FAIR REFERENDUM TO EXPRESS THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE COMBINED STATE WITH THE NORTH.
DON'T THINK THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY REQUESTED THE LTTE'RS TO TAKE UP ARMS TO RULE THEM AND THE WHOLE OF EASTERN PROVINCE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF A TAMIL STATE.
LTTE'RS TOOK UP ARMS NOT ON BEHALF OF THE MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT THEIR FINAL GOAL INCLUDES DOMINATION OF THE MUSLIMS AND THEIR LAND.
MUSLIMS TOO HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS DEMANDED BY THE TAMILS AND JUST LIKE THE TAMILS THEY TOO HAVE THE RIGHTS LIKE SELF DETERMINATION,LEGITIMATE ASPIRATIONS,THE RIGHT TO LIVE IN THEIR HOMELAND AND THEY TOO, DON'T WANT TO BE DISCRIMINATED ,DOMINATED AND RULED BY ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE OF THOSE LEGITIMATE HUMAN RIGHTS THEY ARE ENTITLED TO, THEY TOO SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN GENEVA AS A SEPERATE TEAM.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
PULOLIYAN:
I understand, Mahinda doesn't mind having separate delegation for Muslims. In fact, he wouldn't mind having separate delegation for Hill Country Tamils, Burgers or Sinhalese Christians. More the delegation the better for him. He and his government will have more room to lie, trick and treat. He wants to complicate the peace process so that he can delay the peace process. Now you know why LTTE wouldn't allow any other delegation. They don't beleive in the trick and treat games that the SL government loves to play. They want a solution and they want it now. [/quote]
Do you think , that LTTE do not want to understand the reality besides being pushed aside by other groups and that will result in drying up of LTTE funds.
By the way, Why Muslims want a separate delegation?
Don't they feel part of Sri Lanka?
Do they beleive, Mahinda and his government is incapable of representing the entire country?
or have they realized that Mahinda and his government only represent Sinhala/Buddhists of Sri Lanka?
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ON THE OTHER HAND, DO YOU SAY FOR SURE, THAT YOU ARE WELL REPRESENTED WHERE, OVERSES, YOU LIVE NOW. or you are visible only when you pay taxes.[/quote]
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[b]We read the comments made by some with amusment, how some are confused between the CFA and the Peace talks.
CFA was agreed to avoid the blood shed. (CFA=Cease Fire Agreement)
It does not have provisions for any power sharing. But Wanni Tigers are trying to stretch it to the limit conveniently.
There was no real Peace Talks occured so far.
That is why they are still shooting at each other.
In peace talks, Mr Balasingham's northern tamils , muslims and the eastern tamils wirth Karuna group have to be included to find a solution.
The drift from CFA to Peace Talks is natural but It can only happen when all these parties are interested in genuine PEACE.[/b]
(NOT in the PIECE of land.)
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
[quote="Puloliyan"]Sukumaran[quote]Ms Asraff was in the delegation looking after Muslim interests in the last round of talks. I assume it would be Ms Asraff yet again to do the same.[/quote]
Haven't you read what she was doing in Geneva last time?[/quote]
I am glad you are in this forum Puloliyan
Stick to it, you may learn something from the other side.
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[quote]The Muslim community has been the silent sufferer during the two decade long ethnic conflict owing to the continuous harassment meted out to them by the Tigers by way of murder, abduction, eviction and extortion.
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LTTE is being the victim of mistrust between Muslims and Tamils. The Government and paramilitaries know the mistrust between Eastern Tamils and Muslims, right now all they have to do, attack Muslims say they are Tigers to put the blame on LTTE. Our Eastern leadership didn't do much to earn the trust from Muslims either. Karikalan was removed from the top post just for that failure. Karuna was worse. Only Kousalyan was fair to Muslims. I am not sure about the current eastern leadership. Does't matter what, we, Tamils, atleast most of them do understand the Muslims grieviences.
Muslims have outstripped the Eastern Tamils in many walks of life with the support they enjoyed with Sinhala Governments. In this case, Eastern Tamils and Muslims both have grieviences. It is Sinhala government's and paramilitaries mission to keep it that way. It is LTTE's responsibility to take the extra step to bring them into the fold.
[quote]Meanwhile, President Mahinda Rajapakse has assured the country's pre dominant Muslim party that he would move in the direction of allowing the participation of a separate Muslim delegation but he cannot agree to such a request at once.
During a meeting with the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress (SLMC), the President had also pointed out that this was not a matter only for his approval, as it was a matter which the LTTE too has to agree upon and thus the Sri Lankan Government alone cannot decide on the request for a separate delegation.
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In my view, Peace talks are between the warring parties. Both parties have lost a lot during the last 22 years of war. It wouldn't be fair to anyone else to have a free ride on Tamil and Sinhala boys dead body. We have lost a lot to get there.
I understand, Mahinda doesn't mind having separate delegation for Muslims. In fact, he wouldn't mind having separate delegation for Hill Country Tamils, Burgers or Sinhalese Christians. More the delegation the better for him. He and his government will have more room to lie, trick and treat. He wants to complicate the peace process so that he can delay the peace process. Now you know why LTTE wouldn't allow any other delegation. They don't beleive in the trick and treat games that the SL government loves to play. They want a solution and they want it now.
By the way, Why Muslims want a separate delegation?
Don't they feel part of Sri Lanka?
Do they beleive, Mahinda and his government is incapable of representing the entire country?
or have they realized that Mahinda and his government only represent Sinhala/Buddhists of Sri Lanka?
Now, Lets go to the architect of "Mahinda Chintana"
Why is he hiding behind LTTE?
Why didn't he tell Muslims that they will be represented by him and his Government for their satisfaction?
Does he, himself, admit that he and his Goverment only represents Sinhala Buddhists of Sri Lanka?
When Hill Country Tamils, Sinhala Christians and Burgers asking for separate delegation, what is he going to do? point fingers at LTTE?
Sukumaran[quote]Ms Asraff was in the delegation looking after Muslim interests in the last round of talks. I assume it would be Ms Asraff yet again to do the same.[/quote]
Haven't you read what she was doing in Geneva last time?
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Trump card is the Up-country Tamils.
If Muslims get a delegation, next, Up-country Tamils will request the same.
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No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
I am sure, LTTE, via Tiren Alles, sent a message to MR asking not to have any Muslim delegation. The reason, Once diaspora see that LTTE can not show their might in open theatre, diaspora will stop funds.
That will be the end of LTTE.
Soldiers and the poor tamil civilians are the stupid.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Ms Asraff was in the delegation looking after Muslim interests in the last round of talks. I assume it would be Ms Asraff yet again to do the same.
No separate Muslim delegation at next month's peace talks
Its an old story as well.
MR also under LTTE pressure...once anybody is under someone else's pressure....cannot think properly..... do not think this as a political move...b-coz we've seen so many such steps in the past...
now MR getting support from some UNPers and others .so no need for muslim support in future......
Once again this Sinhala leaders will come to a dead end where they require for muslim supports...and as usual some mp's will join hands with them for their own interest...
After MHM Ashroff, its all gone.....